90 - Kemet, das Land der ersten Hochkultur

[Ginger]

Oh okay, good job on the micro getting the Buddhism in first. That's pretty smart, I had just panicked.

Is there a city working on our second and third GP? We need to launch a Golden Age to get us to Machinery and Civil Service

You can't rely on flanking damage unless you make a very large stack of BBS, if you dont have enough surviving(!) BBS to kill the Hwacha, then you just wound them. And wounding does nothing to change the amount of collateral damage or bombardment they deal. Yes, it would be useful to wound them so they don't destroy our attacking Axes by defending, but ideally, we wouldn't have an Axe stack but a War Chariot stack (two mover superiority).

I would rather have native Catapults or ABS.

Yeah that city is pretty sweet, we could ferry some workers over (and more fogbuster/worker escorting Axes) to start prechopping the jungle tiles to get ready for our own cities there

After Metal Casting and Iron Working, how about Priesthood->Monarchy? It should be cheap with double arrows

Should definitely get Preisthood before Code of Laws anyways, and with SPI we get the effect immediately

[xist10]

What do you want with Priesthood ? Org Reli ? This is from Monotheismus. And we have this already. I can built monastrys and temple.

I am not sure, if we should further research civil or if we could use Construction.



Piccadally is still building troops.

I think, we could whip the Apo POP3 in 3 rounds and finish it in 4 not 5 rounds.



I change to Christian.

[Papa Bear]

If you can build temples, you definitely have researched priesthood already

[Ginger]

Yeah... looks like we need construction before Civil, unfortunate that Piccadilly would make us do that, but we have to respect and mirror the power spike. Bonus point is that we can clean up Metal's city with an army.

Try offering NAP (for the germans thats Cu-Cu?) to Piccadilly to see if he accepts.

Civil Service is not very valuable while the capital hasn't grown. When it gets to size 12-15 then we look at Civil

Edit: That's why I think Monarchy is important, to let a couple cities really grow

[xist10]

Our CU is in a CU-CU with Superdeath. But yes, I could cancel that and try it with Piccadally.
Or I could try fish/fish.

[Ginger]

cancel the Cu-Cu with Superdeath, offer him fish-fish, then offer Piccadilly the Cu-Cu, because that's what the German players understand as NAP right?

Also idk if we've finished Metal Casting, but that should come first, then Construction

[CivNoob]

There are no so called NAPs*** here, you just show your friendly intention.

***There had been real NAPs long ago in the past, but they have been abandoned to make games more interesting.

[xist10]

I hate nonverbal diplo.



I am not sure ? Is that a gift ? Or did he forgot to enter a part for us ? I accept.



I accept this too. But why ?



Picca has to defend himself against vanguard an metal.
I think, we could try to attack Picca, but i don't want this. We have the CU-CU with him.



Or we could try to nap one, two cities here.



And the last city of metal on this continent has only one axemen in the moment. 6 axemen should be enough.

[xist10]

So, english part today on RB.

Langsam scheint es besser zu werden.



Vanguard bietet uns weitere finanzielle Unterstützung an. Wir verliren leider 1 , aber bekommen mit SIlver etwas leicht besseres zurück. +1 durch Schmieden schlägt (gerade als IND mit Gold +Edelsteinen) +1 als Märkten.
Dabei ist mir aber nicht wirklich wohl. Ich habe in CU/CU mit Piccadally am laufen und unterstütze (teuer) seinen Kriegsgegner. AM Ende ist mir das ganze aber recht.



Unsere HS hast Moai fast fertig gestellt, ich denke aber, wir haben bessere Standorte.
Brütet gerade auch einen GW für ein GZ aus, wobei ich mir nicht sicher bin, ob wir dieses wirklich brauchen. Klar, immer ein netter Schub, aber wir haben nur den Vorteil der zusätzlichen Erträge, Staatsformen können wir dank SPI immer wechseln.
Auf jeden Fall werde ich wohl den GW etwas verzögern.
Siedler ist für den Dschungelkontinent, ich bin mir nocht nicht sicher, ob Nord- oder Südteil, wobei ich zum Norden tendiere.



Unsere 2. Stadt mit eingestellt Spezialisten. Der GP würde den christlichen Schrein bauen, ziehe ich wohl dem GZ vor. Gerade da ich hier dann auch noch wachsen könnte. Küste ist nicht ideal, aber 2 sollten mindestens Kosten neutral sein und im Zweifel Peitschpotenziel bieten.
Nach dem markt kommt wohl Tempel/Kloster, danach eventuell der Leuchturm.
Auch zu sehen ist der Kanal zum nördlichen, begehbaren teil des Dschungelkontinents. Hier ist auch Superdeath aktiv, Steine sind aber ein guter Grund, schnell einen Siedler hochzuschicken.



Hier gibst nicht viel zu sagen. Bietet Zugriff auf Edelsteine, Grenzstadt.
Ich denke, wir bekommen hier demnächst das Christentum rein, dann kommt wohl Tempel/Kloster anch der Axt.



Diese Stadt braucht mehr Wachen. Grenzstadt zu Superdeath und Vanguard sowei heilige Stadt der Christen.
Wird wohl über POP8 nicht herauskommen.
Mine wird demnächst wohl auch umbelegt.

[xist10]

Bekommt nächste Runde einen christlichen Missionar. Wohl Tempel/Kloster nach der Galeere. Danach bietet sich eigentlich Moai an. Mit potenziell 8 Küsten wohl unsere beste Stadt dafür.
Wird auch noch ein (kurzfristig) Weizen der HS übernehmen.



Unsere letzte Stadtgründung. Sofern wir hier das Christentum reinbekommen, werde ich wohl Tempel/Kloster dem markt vorziehen. Wobei hier auch gut Siedler für den Dschungel produziert werden könnten.



Wald auf 88 fällt näcshte Runde, geht entweder in eine Axt oder in eine Tiremen.
Hubabl hat in der Nachbarstadt eine Stadtmauer, aber nur 1 Axt, 1 Kata und 5 Speere. Theoretisch leichte Beute für Äxte.



Von den Barbaren erobert und liegt gut.
2 BT sind auf 6-6m werden als nächstest die Schweine anschließen. Die Stadt selber könnte demnächst mal ein Schiff bauen und die neue See erkunden.
Hier ist meines Wissens nach keine anderer aktiv. Es müsste auch keine "leichten" Zugriff haben, Hubabl fehlt ein Kanal, alle anderen müssten nähere Plätze haben.

Hab ich was vergessen ?
Ja, Memphis:



Hat letzte Runde den Apo gebaut.
Baut gerade in, zwei Missionare, ist einzige Christenstadt auf dem südlichen Kontinent.
Danach könnte es ein auch gut weitere Wunder sein. Mit Tempel/Kloster 20 Basis:4prod;, mit Schmiede, Org Reli und IND kämen wir auf 100% Bonus, als effektiv 40 .

[xist10]

Und ich habe tatsächlich so etwas wie eine Armee gefunden:



Vangaurd hat uns 13 Äxte, 1 Impi und 1 Galeere geschenkt.
Ich denke mal, der will, dass wir diese verschiffen (hat er seine Schiffe verloren ?) und Piccadally angreifen.
Wobei ich viel lieber das nahe Eisen sichern würde. Ich weiß aus sicherster Quelle, dass der aktuelle Besitzer gerade eine Armee verloren hat.

Ich denke, vorerst Stadtwache in Alexandria ist das wahrscheinlichste Szenario.

[Ginger]

wow, that's quite a substantial gift. Vanguard taketh and giveth
Do you want to use to it to hit Superdeath or ship it across the sea? (Should ferry some units to the other side, thats for sure)
We pair that with 6-8 catapults and Superdeath should be toast. (He still only has 4 or 5 total cities right? was forced off the other continent iirc?)

I think Moai in the capital is best because it will get the bonus from Bureaucracy. Besides its almost done there and we can cash in the failgold. (We need Monarchy to get maximum value though)

I think Construction to let us take Metal and Superdeath out cheaply and defend against Piccadilly is probably in our best interests. Catapults never expire (although they do cost maintenance).

Also in the photo you posted of the capital, I see it is not working the wheat?? Also I would grow onto cottages to happy cap before we hire specialists.

However with forges, courts, and AP, we have plenty of economic builds. But it is a good moment to hit Metal if he's distracted by Piccadilly. I just don't want to slam units, catas are more efficient, I'll leave that up to you though. Check what vodka simulator says

Also, after the first missionary is out (infect Giza, it can quickly whip out some more missionaries), I would build a forge in our AP city.

Edit: How developed is Metal's city? I don't like that it's on the coast, as it will be vulnerable eventually to whoever controls that sea (probably Piccadilly, not us). If it is small and not much infrastructure, then it could be better to burn and resettle inland. We can still access the sea with forts, so a port is not as important

[xist10]

I am not sure. If I read the map right, SD settled/conquered the part of TR on the northern continent. He has 3 cities there. I think, 2 more on his „main“ island. I don’t know his total.
Metals city seems to have a bib, walls and baracks.

The capital should give the wheat to Pi-Ramesses. And I think, the capital has only 2 good fields to work. So, maybe both cottage and 1 scientist. I did plan to use the GS for a GA. And I only built the forge in the last rounds, the city was at his -Cap before that.
And yes, Bureaucracy is an argument, but how many coast tiles do expect the city to work ? We could get 8 Moai- from Pi-Ramesses, Thebes would work 4 (?) Tiles. So, would win 2 per turn. We only lose our from Thebes. And we built it a part to generate failgold. We have not much in Memphis.

Note to myself, Moai is a good project, especially if I settle the stone in the SD jungle.

I don’ t think, we need monarchy for . We lose nothing to run it, but it is not priority.
Construction, then paper seems good. Maybe try sankore ? But I think, Plemo could be faster.

[Ginger]

If we want to run Bureacracy (which we should in my opinion) it makes sense to stack as much food, commerce and population as possible in Thebes. It could grow onto every sea tile in its BFC, that's 10 tiles. which would be 15 hammers and 30 commerce under bureacracy. Health could be a problem, but we have a fair number of resources. If we trade for a corn from somewhere and build an aqueduct, I could easily see our capital reaching 16 or 18 population.

We can delay Monarchy for after Construction and Civil Service, sure, but I think if we truly want our coastal cities' full potential we need happy cap, everything should be growing as much as possible at this stage of the game, now that we've stabilized with Catapults and classical tech. I'll log in and have a look at SD, see what his situation is/relation with TR.

Yeah we could lose Sankore to Plemo, but like, why would he do that other than denial? Thats 550 hammers for him, without AP. Kinda odd if you ask me

[xist10]

Yes, Bureacracy is strong, yes, we should use every advange we get, so big capital.
Stll, it is to early for Moai. We are IND and could get stones (next city should be on the northern jungle). We should built Moai in every city, to get more failgold. I think, we get something like 1 per ? So, this should be better than Wealth, because we have +25% from Forge (Wealth too), +25% from Org Reli, +50% from IND and maybe +100% from Stones, so we could exchange 1 too 3.
Maybe we lose a few , so "only" 2,5 ? Still better.

And I think, maybe construction next, but than beeline to Paper ?And the most Players would think, Sankore is a good Idea. Temple/monastries break even after 40/50 turns in , with secondary boni earlier.